The Prosperity Gospel: Evangelicalism & Private Finance, Half I

The Prosperity Gospel: Evangelicalism & Private Finance, Half I
The Prosperity Gospel: Evangelicalism & Personal Finance, Part I

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31 thoughts on “The Prosperity Gospel: Evangelicalism & Private Finance, Half I

  1. Can the description be edited to include the webpage for this podcast? I can't find it on my personal podcast app because there are too many with the same name but I'd happy to subscribe to the RSS if someone can direct me to it.

  2. I grew up Australian evangelical (which is VERY different to American Evangelical) and I was shocked when I discovered that people actively preach the tithe should go to the church. I always thought the tithe was 10% to go to God, in other words, to do things Jesus did: feed the hungry, heal people, provide education, lift people out of poverty, that sort of thing. I didn't want to pay some pastor's salary so they could preach boring sermons week after week.

  3. This was amazing. Good on you Julia for giving you tithe in the form of tips and generosity. That is the real tithing in the Bible anyway. I left the church four years ago and paying my tithes diligently is the one ritual I regret the most.

  4. Prosperity preachers grossly misrepresent the bible and what Christianity stands for. They hand pick verses from translations that say what they want it to say and take everything out of context. I wish people didn't listen to them but I've yet to see a mainstream church or christian book store that doesn't sell osteen or joyce Mayer.

  5. I’m a born again evangelical Christian that belongs to a small local independent church in PA. It’s not Christian’s, it’s “Christian” corporations and mega churches.

  6. I had no idea Julia is an evangelical… tbh a bit of a turn off for me personally (I'm Atheist) but Im open minded enough to respect her as a fellow human, and think her YouTube channel "2 cents" is cool, I watched it lots when i was trying to get better with money and still re watch some episodes (I just wish there was a bit more Canadian specific content on it cause Im Canadian, so some of the stuff is different hut I would say 75-90% their advice still applies) highly recommend!
    As for the actual content of this podcast… my mind is completely blown I had no odea this evangelican prosterity gospel was a thing.. or at least as big of a thing as it actually is! I heard about Joel and the gang.. but never paid much attention because I find the entire notion of organized religion quite disturbing…very culty… so I just stay as far away from it as I can. My parents used to be regular church goers dad started as a young teen (his granny brough him into baptist church) and mom at 18 when she met him when he was 19…they got married quick and had me when they were age 20 and 21. We would go to church up till i was about 6. It was a Baptist church and being rich was practically frowned upon.. it was all about austerity, stoisism, deprivation. The church was bare.. no decor or any indication of wealth at mom was even told to not wear her gold earings!
    We left our home country and after much imigration bs… landed in Canada.. we found a church in our language and occasionaly attended till i was 10 y.o. at which point I litteraly got kicked out of Sunday school for asking too many questions that couldn't be answered with facts and after that I refused go to church altogether, my parents abandoned this occasional practice as well. That last church they went to I think was kinda starting to preach the prosperity gospel and they found it very strange… but by that point they had given up on this whole evangelical movement and decided to leave.. by that point I was 11 and VERY vocal about being against organized religion… My younger siblings (8 and 10 years younger than me) didn't have to deal with all this cause they were still too young to remember). I kinda pride myself on saving them from the brainwashing.

    Anyways, all that being said I'm glad someone like Julia (who doesn't seem like some evangelical nut job) did this show and adressed the prosperity gospel issue.. because as I now realize it is a way bigger issue than I though it was.. so it needs to be talked about.. from the sounds of it (in part 2 of the podcast) it is slowly spreading and is now permiating into the general American culture through politics and Capitalism… which is alarming to say the least.
    I'm a Canadian and concered that it may rub off on our culture because the American culture is so widespread and you guys are 10x the population and economy than we are so you dominate North American culture, and a lot of the world (for now anyways).

    As for Dave Ramsey… I stumbled on his channel a while back when i was trying to get serious about getting out of debt… and he is a fanatic.. cult leader…crazy (but very smart) person. I though he was just a boomer trying to "preach" the "bootstraping phylosophy".
    I watched him for a bit trying to psych myself up to getting out of debt but grew tired of his berating and abusing people on the air…and that was before i know what a disgusting, sexist, mysoginistic bigot he is.
    When I found out he fired a female employee because she was pregnant out of wedlock. I'm sorry… but NO! That was more than enough for me to never watch, listen or read anything by him or his company again. Absolutely disgusting, especially in the 21st century! I almost lost it when i just heard that his right hand man was caught cheating?! LMAO. Hilarious (not for his wife of course) but the audacity and hypocrisy is astounding. Great show you guys!.. gonna go find you on Spotify..

  7. I have been a minister myself, but I’m not now, and I’m not sure if I will be again or not. I listen to TFD a lot, because I appreciate the successful female perspective that I haven’t been exposed to much in the past.

    I wanted to add that I think the only religious groups (churches, mosques, etc.) that should be taxed are the large ones. Most small town churches in small town America (that are not preaching prosperity gospel and doing good things) could not remain open if they were taxed. I’m the small town pastor type, devout but not hugely charismatic, and there just aren’t enough pastoral positions to support my family of four.

  8. Joel Osteen is a hero on mine.. really conveying biblical principles… a little disappointed to see him portrayed in the cover .. I don't like this version of TFD?

  9. Different but nice- love 2 Cents and not only watch their stuff recreationally but also seen them used in job training for financial institutions!
    Per tithing, while charitable donating is honorable and ideally everyone would be in a place to give generously to worthy causes, in Biblical times it was actually more of a tax. Ancient Israel was a theocracy so tithing to the temple wasn't just a matter of philanthropy but supporting that system. It paid the priests/judges/others and maintained the sacred space but also was redistributed as seen fit. When Jesse, David's father, is listed as bringing all sorts of food and supplies to the army camp, that again wasn't charity but him being obligated to support his state. So to insist parishioners tithe when they already pay taxes is antithetical. Especially as some churches won't keep ppl on as members without it (the LDS church is big on this but others do whether officially or not, often with lots of guilt trips and other manipulation). In any case this needs to be kept in mind when we discuss tax exemption status (which deserves more scrutiny) and the separation of church and state.

  10. "I have been Ryan Houlihan" and "I have been Julia Lorenz-Olson." Okay, then who are you now?? Jokes aside, this was really informative and fascinating.

  11. Evangelical Christianity's grift isn't new. The prosperity gospel and the American dream have been at the root of the US since Puritans (which originated with Calvinists) arrived from England. It may not be overt but it's intertwined in all of our history and especially in Conservatism. It feels like you could have done a better job setting that up and defining it. Really going into the history of this.

  12. This was… so much. I really appreciate the acknowledgment that there’s a “spectrum” of belief within Christianity and while these may not actually be even the majority of the beliefs they’re certainly the loudest.
    I do just want to provide some views on tithing in a non-mega church environment (and I’m gonna come at this from a Southern Baptist Perspective). So, the word “tithe” means “tenth” and the Bible is very clear that you should tithe. The only money your church gets is from members who tithe. That’s how your church budgets and most churches work with the 80/20 rule (80% of the congregation isn’t tithing). Here’s what my church uses tithe for: salaries (We have 4 pastors, most of them have an assistant, a preschool director and a children’s church director, full and part time support staff, some of our childcare providers are paid hourly, maintenance team, etc), utilities/upkeep of the church, licensing for music, festivals/community events (some things are donated by local businesses), we support a few local and foreign missionaries who rely on that money for living expenses, insurance, general office supplies, and the list kinda goes on. There’s nothing insidious in those financials and we (like most churches) have quarterly business meetings. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect my pastoral staff to work for free. But the church doesn’t charge the congregation to hear sermons or be visited in the hospital. I think it’s even free for members to use the sanctuary and fellowship halls for their weddings. If you see value in the church then you have to support it financially. How else do the lights stay on?

  13. In many "branches" of evangelism people actually own 10% of their income to their church, if that doesn't seem fishy enough to someone from the get go,I don't know what does

  14. I LOVE you both but the mic on Julia is uneven perhaps? Everyone else including Ryan is easy to hear, but I have my volume up on max and miss a lot of what Julia says–which I hate! Please know it's just because I love you all and don't want to miss a word!

  15. I'm a Christian and find the prosperity gospel so diametrically opposing to the teachings of Christ. I find that a lot of these communities are more akind to cults.

    I would say that historically speaking the church and money isnt anything new. Before the Restoration, the medieval English church was very rich and powerful because if you were about to go on a holy crusade you could pay your local monks to pray for your soul so you could get too Heaven and not worry too much about the whole killing is a sin.

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